Thanks to group leader Zou Yanfang for organizing this post! The content includes previous discussions, emails, and on-the-spot notes from this study session, making it quite challenging to organize. It may seem a bit messy, but as you slowly understand it, you’ll probably find some insights. ^_^Original address:Illuminating Another “Me”——Interpretation of Lionel Messi’s Worksauthor:Red Mud Study Group This study session was held after the students had submitted their homework enthusiastically in the early stage.
During the preliminary preparation work:
1. Yao Jingjing’s inspiring comments
Matthew’s
The inspiration for Dream came from an encounter with art and music (a trip to a museum), and Matthew found his dream and spiritual home. The most brilliant sentence in the book is the last one: His
largest painting now hangs in the museum. When asked about the
title, Matthew smiles. “The title?” he says as if he had never
thought about before. “My
Dream”. Indeed, Matthew’s works hanging in the museum are based on his dreams. This is one meaning of dream. Another meaning is that art is a bridge connecting Matthew’s reality and ideal dreams.
Throughout history, many great works of art have emerged from dreams, inspiration, passion, a revelation. This is the unpredictability and mystery of art. Art has the power to penetrate deeply. Once someone falls under the spell of art, perhaps their world (as Matthew’s) becomes completely different from that of ordinary people. This book discusses art and music. It was the first one I picked up from a list of 18, and it resonated so well with our topic yesterday. It seems everything is orchestrated. It’s fascinating…
2. Teacher Ajia’s Poetic Interpretation
This is the original text from Lioni’s picture books, the original text from some of Lioni’s books I’ve translated. I’m used to typing out and printing out each picture book before translating it. Words feel completely different when separated from the pictures. For example, Anthony Brown’s words are only particularly interesting when paired with the pictures, but Lioni’s words seem to stand alone, forming a poetic allegory.
3. Huang Jianping’s comparative interpretation of Afo and the Cuckoo
In 1959, at the age of 49 and at the peak of his career, Lionel Messi planned to retire at 50 to pursue a more creative life, moving from New York to Italy. It was then that a serendipitous event led him to his future career. Lionel Messi, now a grandfather, was taking his two young grandchildren home by train. To ease the boredom of the long journey, he tore a few colorful scraps of paper from a nearby magazine and made up a story for the children: Little Blue and Little Yellow. Thus began his first published children’s book.
Over the next 35 years, Lionel Messi wrote and illustrated more than 40 children’s books, four of which won Caldecott Medals: Inch by Inch (1961),
Caldecott Honor book), Swimmy/Little Black Fish (1964 Caldecott Honor book),
Frederick/Alfred the Field Mouse (1968 Caldecott Honor book), Alexander and Wind-up
Mouse/Alexander and the Wind-up Mouse (1970 Caldecott Honor book).
Lionel Leo is a master storyteller. His books tell children about many serious topics such as sharing, cooperation, maintaining individuality, peace, human rights, etc., but there is no moral preaching in his books, because he always uses cute animal images to impress children all over the world, making them feel that his books are first of all fun and interesting. As for the profound truths contained in the books, I believe that children will slowly experience them throughout their lives.
Lionni’s books cover a wide range of topics. Having witnessed and personally experienced the rise of fascism in Europe, and as a member of an international anti-fascist organization (mainly composed of intellectuals and artists), his strong support for peace and human rights is often reflected in his stories, such as The
Alphabet Tree was written during the Vietnam War; Tillie and the Wall was published eight months before the fall of the Berlin Wall; Nicolas, Where
Have You Been?
It talks about overcoming prejudice. It’s fair to say that every one of Lioni’s books deserves discussion, but due to time and space constraints, I’d like to focus on the first Lioni book I read, and my favorite, about the little field mouse, Alfonso. Before discussing Alfonso, I can’t help but praise Ajia’s translation. Alfonso is truly spot-on, capturing the playfulness of the field mouse while also highlighting the Buddha-like state Alfonso has attained. The original name is Frederick. Could you share how you came up with the translation?
In a previous email, I mentioned the impact that Ah Fu had on me, and I’ll repeat it here to avoid a sense of incoherence for first-time readers. I remember the opening of the story—everyone was busy working, only Ah Fu, the field mouse, was lazing around in the sun. It immediately reminded me of a text I learned as a child, “The Cuckoo.” The cuckoo in the story, like Ah Fu, leisurely enjoyed the sunshine while everyone else worked in the summer. However, because it had no food stored for the winter, it froze and starved to death in the cold winter. I thought, just like our Chinese teachers, foreign writers teach children to study hard from a young age to avoid freezing or starvation when they grow up (this is how my teacher summarized the main idea). However, the story’s ending was completely unexpected, leaving me filled with envy and resentment: enjoying the sunshine and beautiful scenery in China would lead to starvation, but in America, you could become an artist! From then on, this new concept of preserving sunlight and color was deeply engraved in my mind and had a profound impact on my life.
Comparing the cuckoo and Alfred, I’m not saying that all Chinese people think like the cuckoo, and all Americans or Westerners think like Alfred. Nor am I saying that people who have enough to eat are mostly like the cuckoo, and people who are well-off are mostly like Alfred. In fact, every country and every social class has its own cuckoo and Alfred types. During a get-together over the National Day holiday, my German friend and I talked about Frederick, and she said he was also her favorite. I then told her the story of the cuckoo, and she immediately said she was a cuckoo-like person. She said she always had enough food in her refrigerator to feed her family for a week. She couldn’t stand having only enough for one or two days, and she always had to make thorough preparations. So, the cuckoo and Alfred types exist in different countries and social classes. They actually represent two different ways of living: what Fromm called “possession” and “survival.” People who pursue possession want to possess everything—to arrange everything they can think of in advance, to have everything under their control. The so-called preparation…
the
future (what Tiger Mom always says); those who value survival take things as they come. They pay more attention to the present and try to enjoy the present as much as possible, instead of turning every moment into a preparation for the future and losing its own meaning.
I must admit that I’ve always been raised and thought like the cuckoo: As a child, I diligently exercised self-denial, forgoing sunlight and vibrant colors to avoid freezing and starving in winter. After graduating from college and entering the workforce, I worked even harder to secure a bright future. As a mother, I prepared my children for their own futures to avoid a cuckoo-like fate. It wasn’t until I turned 40 that I suddenly realized that both the dreaded winter and the bright future lie in a tomorrow I can never reach. This cuckoo-like sense of urgency led me to neglect the present, turning every moment into a preparation for the future, completely ignoring the very existence of the present because I only focused on future goals. Without today, how can there be tomorrow? If we live our entire lives for tomorrow, then we’ve never truly lived. We might as well learn from the little field mouse, Afu, and live as much as possible in the present moment. If storing grain and nuts seems fun, then join the effort and save them. If such labor is boring and you’d rather sit quietly and admire the sunshine and colors, then fully enjoy the moment, without dwelling on whether you’ll starve in the winter. Afu imparted to me a non-clinging mindset: fully savor the sunshine when you can, and embrace the cold winter when it arrives, composing poetry for everyone. This is not the usual clinging or entangled mindset: enjoying the sunshine while worrying about starvation in the winter, then regretting not working harder to store more food and instead focusing solely on enjoying the sunshine. In this sense, Afu was a highly accomplished Zen practitioner. No wonder many regard this book as a yogic practice. In fact, it’s not just for yogis, but also for Buddhists and all practitioners of all traditions who desire to live in the present moment.
To all those who love Alfred the Field Mouse, while you’re busy “storing winter food,” don’t forget to take a break and enjoy the sunshine and beautiful scenery before you. Don’t always make storing sunshine and color a beautiful goal, waiting until this job is finished, until your annual salary reaches a certain level, until the children grow up… No one knows what will happen when that time comes. We always think that the good life has not yet begun, but in fact it is already fading. The only thing we can grasp is the present moment.
4. Yang Qinghua’s sharing
Sharing the English version of LEO’s picture books: FREDERICK, FISH IS FISH, INCH BY INCH, PEBBLES.
5. Wang Liyan’s sharing
About “A Color of His
Own”, I really like the interpretation! In the past few days, as a first-year doctoral student, I have participated in several opening ceremonies and admission training activities. These activities, without exception, emphasized the importance of publishing papers and publishing papers in core domestic and international journals such as SSCI and SCI. It seems that from the school to the departments and specific majors, they are reminding graduate students to publish papers and complete graduation theses as their goals. After hearing so much, I can’t help but feel a little sad: Why doesn’t anyone emphasize learning to care for oneself and improve self-cultivation; emphasizing the need to learn to observe society, care about others, and assume responsibility for society and the country? As a normal university (East China Normal University), why don’t you emphasize learning how to be a teacher, how to educate students, and how to understand more about the current state of education in China?
6. Li Ling chose to share with the children
7. Dong Ying shares her thoughts after reading “The Alphabet Tree”
Yesterday I picked up this book “The Alphabet
tree”, read and watch it slowly, the conversation between the two ants leads to this very touching, vivid and inspiring story——Every letter makes me think of each of us, every individual life. In the beginning, independent individuals can survive on their own, just like we are now, we all live our own lives, and there is no basic equal communication between people. When a disaster occurs, the letters are blown away one by one, but what about people? Are we the same? Sometimes I always think that human beings always unite when disaster strikes. Strength in numbers can only express a little bit of it. When all the letters are gathered together, it still can’t play a big role, it’s a mess. Will it be broken at one attack? Humanity needs a touchstone, and funny at this time
Bugs are the leaders of these letter trees. Social groups need good leaders, not blind incitement, just suggestions, and some organizational skills. The letters form words, and although the wind can’t blow them away, they are still a little lacking. Then a cute caterpillar came. The pink caterpillar is very cute, but here I don’t know why Lionel Messi uses such beautiful colors when choosing characters to appear? I think it is to attract people’s attention, but there must be a deeper meaning in it. When the caterpillar appears, it gives the letters advice, “Why don’t you group together to form a sentence to express something?” The letters formed some sentences, but the caterpillar said, “you
must say something important” with the correct guidance, the scattered letters finally formed a sentence “Peace on earth
The caterpillar took the letters that made up the sentences away. When the letters asked him where he was taking them, the caterpillar said, “to
the president” to the
President, these are words that will linger on me. I look forward to hearing more explanations. After reading the story, and thinking about what’s happening now, I wonder how wonderful it would be if there were a mentor like him to guide the people, to make them think rationally about the protests and their patriotism. Perhaps I just read the right book at the right time. I feel like Leo Lionni has completely changed my image of me. I love his paintings and his expression. Each of his works is a classic. Whether meaningful or meaningless, I want to read his works one by one.
8. Teacher Ajia takes the risk of sharing “Girl with a Brown Paintbrush”
This is truly a very important book. It’s easier for adults to comment on Lioni’s work, but I’ve always been curious about how children actually receive it. This book gives us a very different perspective.
For example, in the book “Alfred the Field Mouse”, the children in the book seemed to not care at all about Alfred’s seemingly “selfish” behavior, accepted it effortlessly, and mainly viewed it from the perspective of a friend.
From an adult’s perspective, it’s inevitable to worry about gains and losses. For example, we see that Ah Fo is an artist and a poet, and we not only accept him but also fall in love with him. But what if Ah Fo is nothing? He simply enjoys daydreaming, daydreaming, and collecting colors and words, but can’t paint or compose poetry? As a friend or relative, would I still accept him?
I love poetry, but I can’t write it. Do I still have the right to be as dazed and idle as Ah Fu? — In short, the logic of adult reality is always difficult to justify, haha.
Children’s understanding of Leoni seems to be more inclined towards heroism, idealism and romantic feelings.
9. Yao Jingjing shares An Extraordinary Egg again
It outlines the characteristics of people who live poetically: they are solitary travelers; they are full of curiosity; they enjoy the process of discovery; they love to explore and think quietly in private spaces.
– As a distinction, most people, like Marilyn, are self-righteous, content with the status quo, and unwilling or afraid to take risks.
- After answering what kind of person an artist is, the author also answers the question of what is the use of art: Jessica happily goes out to explore every day, enriching her experiences every day: she likes to pick up pebbles that her other two companions think are nothing special, which led to her bringing back a crocodile egg; she was playing under the water and was tripped by water plants, which led to a crocodile saving her life and the two of them becoming extraordinary friends; she likes to explore places she has never been to, which led to her meeting the red and blue bird, and under the guidance of the bird, she slept in the open air and traveled under the stars all the way to find the crocodile mother; she likes the process of discovery rather than the result of possessing her friends, so she does not feel lost when she leaves the crocodile, but rushes home to share her new discovery with her companions.
In her poetic habitat, the protagonist Jessica lives a rich and extraordinary life. Jessica possesses an artistic heart. What ordinary people consider ordinary pebbles, to her, are beautiful in shape, texture, and color. While ordinary frogs freak out at the sight of movement in the water, Jessica, drowning, remains unfazed, saying, “I’m fine.” When I read about Jessica and the alligator’s breakup, I wondered if Jessica was a little sad about her friend’s departure. No, she wasn’t. She happily ran home, eager to share her discovery with her friends. Heartless artists never have time for sadness or loss, their gaze and pace never lingering on new goals. Jessica’s life is elevated by art, and the little alligator, through a strange twist of fate, finds a home (perhaps a secular purpose, too).
There are still some prepared materials for you guys that I haven’t sorted out yet. When we get together at Red Mud, we can share about Lionel Messi and his works.
The study session began with a question from a child: “The story in Little Yellow and Little Blue is so concise, and other works by Leo Lionni, while telling stories from multiple perspectives, why is he so captivating and has influenced so many people to create picture books? How can we appreciate his work?”
Children immediately rushed to answer. Some spoke from their own reading experiences, saying that Leonie’s works encompass every aspect of life, like a fish being a fish, and Leonie being the eye. Through him, he has brought together a community of “fish” children’s book creators, who, under his leadership, bravely forge ahead. Others approached the topic from an artistic perspective, stating that he was the first to incorporate collages into children’s book creation. He took everyday elements and, while transcending the material, offered readers a fresh experience. Teacher Ajia recounted the story of Leonie’s creation of Little Yellow and Little Blue. During a short train trip, Leonie used blocks of color torn from magazines to tell a story to his five-year-old grandson and three-year-old granddaughter. The captivating story captivated the children, and after careful editing and production, it became the classic “Little Blue and Little Yellow.” Leonie thus acquired a new identity: a master of children’s picture books. Although not a professional children’s literature writer, this outsider brings a different perspective to those within the field. Leonie’s picture book creations appear uninfluenced by the traditional children’s book industry, and his relationship with editors is unique. Lioni is naturally happy to tell the editor what his next book might be based on, but no one knows the specific content of the book until he takes the finished book to the publisher. Lioni is very confident that his almost perfect creations can surprise everyone, and in fact, it is always the case. The artist and design master even designed the font, and he always chose a very old-fashioned font (Century).
Schoolbook, because he felt this typeface was easiest for children to read. The designer had already meticulously planned the font size and precise placement of the text on the page. While people often talk more about Lioni’s paintings, he was equally attentive to text. Editors have hailed him as the “Aesop of the 20th Century,” praising not only the profound meaning of his stories but also the simplicity, clarity, and poetic quality of his prose. While the text in his picture books is accessible to children, it’s not written specifically for children; his stories are meant for everyone. Reflecting on Lioni’s seemingly simple writing, I sometimes feel it’s quite old-fashioned, more like European English than American. Its rigorous grammar is exemplary, yet its choice of words is deeply personal. He doesn’t seem to automatically choose common words, preferring words with a more original, playful, and symbolic quality. Some children also combined Leo Lionni’s biography to interpret his works as a whole. Leo Lionni himself had a wide range of interests, including architecture, sculpture, music, and dance. He drew inspiration from various fields and applied them to his children’s books, resulting in a diverse range of styles. Li Ling shared her experience sharing her works with different children. In a rural school in Yunnan, Mathew’s dream instantly moved all the children. The hearing-impaired children were asked to touch the highlighted blocks of color. The story of a beautiful dream being interrupted, returning to a bleak reality, then transformed into something beautiful, was particularly evocative of tears and the familiar music. Group leader Huang Jianping discussed her reading experience, which was connected to her own experiences, as a process of interpreting herself and discovering another “self” in the book. A teacher at Haijia School recounted how, after reading “Afu the Field Mouse” in second grade, the children followed suit with their own creations. The most fascinating work was “The Little Field Mouse Practicing Martial Arts.” Leo Lionni’s narrative is not sequential; rather, his stories, themes, and characters are continuous, not just within a single work. The charm of Leo Lionni’s work lies not only in his classic books but also in his creation of familiar monikers, such as Alfred the field mouse collecting sunlight and the “Little Black Fish.” Lionni’s picture books seemed avant-garde at the time, but they seem old-fashioned to us today. Yet, he is truly remarkable; each work is his own, a different version of himself at different times. For example, Little Blue and Little Yellow can be seen as the dissolution and re-creation of the self; the Little Black Fish is a leader of the group; Cornelius is a trendsetter; Alfred the magical poet; and Matthew the artist who discovers himself while discovering the world. Works like “Alexander and the Clockwork Mouse,” “The Color of Oneself,” and “Fish Is Fish” all narrate a process of self-identification… Upon closer inspection, they are more or less Leo Lionni himself. Then, a group of children discussed the role of art: artists gain a better understanding of the world, observing it from an artistic perspective. Children are born artists, able to discover the beauty of fallen petals transforming into “stars scattered across the ground” under the light. During the discussion of “Let’s
make
When we were painting the rabbits, we not only felt the movement and stillness of the image but also discussed the role of shadows. Real carrots have shadows, and rabbits become real rabbits because of their shadows. Perhaps this is a metaphor, a point of transition from one world to another.
The topic of the next study is the works of Hiromasa Anno.